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I was committing fannish navel-gazing thinking about this the other day and I was amused, and from my very preliminary investigation there seems to be something to it. We all know the D&D alignment system, right? Good/neutral/evil and Lawful/neutral/chaotic axes? Leaving aside how this doesn't work very well for reality, I thought it'd be amusing to make a chart and start plotting in where all of my favorite characters would be (and yeah, that's a whole other can of worms if you try to compare notes with others--I repeated this exercise with friends over the weekend and found that one shared favorite had been put on practically opposite sides of our charts. Yikes.) It's fun in any case.

And lo and behold! There were clusters. Given the loosey-goosey nature of placing characters on the chart, this could be bias in where one wants to have characters be, or it could be bias in what characters tend to appeal. With mine, if you sort of cross your eyes, I have a big arc going pretty much clear across the chart. I have nobody in Lawful Evil (unless you count Londo, which I don't, because srsly? Nah.), and I have a big cluster loosely centered around the cusp of lawful, cusp of good. And a smaller cluster (but which contains most of my absolute favorites) in Chaotic Evil or Chaotic Neutral. Oh dear. Without the names (you show me yours first!) mine looks like this, with the clusters circled: Like so.

So I'm trying to figure out what to do with this now. What do clusters mean (aside from the obvious)? I saw with my friends that I argued with over who goes where that I ain't the only one. So, tell me... what are you guys' clusters? Anybody wanna make up a chart and hash it out about whether or not Darth Vader is Lawful Evil? :D? :D?

And then there's a couple of follow-on questions that I can't completely formulate in a sensible way yet. But whatever.

*Man, can you tell I am going out of my skull with no classes? I want homework! *sobs*

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Date: 2011-07-15 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I want names on that chart! :)
Love your icon.

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Date: 2011-07-15 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Aw man, I gotta? *kicks dirt* Okay... ;) here. Every time I look at it I think of new names to add. And every now and then it occurs to me that what is needed is a third, lolzy vs. srs bsns axis. That would be totally useful. :p

But now you must share your own! :D Or at least argue with me about who's where...

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Date: 2011-07-15 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Hmm, I might put Pippin closer to chaos. I love that you have Tom and Goldberry on the chart, but is Sawyer really that close to evil? I admit that my attention wandered after three years of Lost so I don't know how his character evolved.

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Date: 2011-07-15 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yeah, Tom and Goldberry are awesome. :D And I could see moving Pippin a bit to that side, although he doesn't seem really committed to chaos, more just an incidental player, heeh... (This is just why we need the LOL axis!)

And ah, well, the good/evil axis seems to be the one that causes all the trouble. I kinda figured with Sawyer... I'm pretty much ignoring his eventual redemption, but back when, he does bad shit knowing full well that it's bad, even if it's emotionally more complicated than that. *shrugs* That's the argument that I've been having with people--what puts a character on the evil side. If they think they're doing good (or acting out of necessity or whatnot) but it's obvious to everyone else that they're doing a lot of harm, are they evil? If they know they're doing bad but feel bad about it, is that evil? I think in Sawyer's case, you can make a case for he does evil stuff but deep down he's a good person, and from there I guess it's just impressionistic placing, as I have a hard time seeing him as smack-dab-in-the-middle neutral on that axis. Or maybe it's just my own bias. ;)

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Date: 2011-07-15 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
So based on this, the ultimate duel between antithetical (is that word?) characters would be the Joker versus Vir or Tom/Goldberry verus Londo. *grin* I'd love to see Vir defeat the Joker.

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Date: 2011-07-15 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh man. I think Tom/Goldberry and Londo would actually get along, though, or at least they'd try to fix him and it would be adorable. But Vir vs. the Joker? Ohshi--now I'm thinking of Emperor Joker from that one comics arc coming to the same fate as Cartagia, at Vir's hand. Wow. *giggles madly*


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